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PostPosted: 24 Nov 2011, 02:07 
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Care renault de fapt e un samsung sm5 :)

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PostPosted: 24 Nov 2011, 09:35 
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lancia premium , fii serios :) ,renault latitude este trei clase peste lancia ...dar este renault.
Cam asta a spus si 'yux', prin 'marci precum Peugeot tind sa treaca peste granita'. Peugeot, renault - same shit pentru mine.

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PostPosted: 24 Nov 2011, 12:11 
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marci precum peugeot tind sa treaca peste granita, spre premium pentru a scapa de concurenta acerba cu marci low cost de tipul celor coreene.
Cand vine vorba de pejeu, nu-ti impartasesc opinia, eu nu vad pejeu tinzand catre premium. Uitandu-ma la gama lor actuala, nu prea vad accente premium in ea. Au si ei 508 si 508 RXH mai rasarite un pic dar, in rest, nu-i nicio mare smecherie. Nu e rea gama pejeu, dar nici nu iese cu ceva in evidenta. De la PSA vad mai degraba Citroen tinzand catre premium, ca a sa gama DS.
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din putinele mele cunostinte Chrysler este un brand pentru mase, ca skoda, vw, renault. iar lancia se vrea mai spre gama premium.
Skoda nu este la acelasi nivel cu VW, nici nu cred ca se vrea asta. VW este masina poporului, skoda este low-cost (alt target). Sa nu le amestecam. In niciun caz Skoda nu este egala Chryslerului, sa nu exageram.
Despre reno nu comentez, nu vreau sa iasa iar dispute pe aici. Lumea s-a obisnuit sa se uite la Symbol si apoi sa-i judece, crezand ca tot ce poate face Reno este un amarat de symbol. :roll:
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lancia premium , fii serios :)
Intr-adevar, Lancia nu mai e considerata premium, din pacate. A cam iesit din clubul select al constructorilor premium. In alta ordine de idei, eu nu vad cu ochi rai aceasta alianta cu Chrysler.

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Shkoda se vrea sub VW, dar au fost mari discutii in grup referitoare la anumite chestiuni (gen 4x4 pe Superb..) care au facut ca vanzarile respectivelor modele Skoda sa fie extraordinare, luand din clientii VW...Deci nu as spune ca este o marca low-cost nici pe departe.


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alfetta Quote:
lancia premium , fii serios :) ,renault latitude este trei clase peste lancia ...dar este renault.
Daca nu mai este, cu siguranta a fost man. Lancia a produs inclusiv masini prezidentiale in trecut ! Comparatia dintre Latitude si o Lancie similara nu prea isi are rostul.
In alta ordine de idei, imi plac foarte mult noile spoturi Chrysler din seria "Imported from Detroit". Se pare ca marca asta este acum motorul concernului, vanzarile din State fiind foarte bune. Si pe undeva inteleg stategia de a o inrudi cu Lancia. Ce nu imi place este ca pentru viitorul Alfei Marchionne tot nu pare sa fie capabil sa aleaga un traseu coerent.

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Marchionne tot nu pare sa fie capabil sa aleaga un traseu coerent.
Sau informatia asta nu e pentru noi, inca.


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imi cer scuze, am indus lumea in eroare. cand am spus Peugeot ma gandeam de fapt la CITROEN si mai precis la gama DS.

vw nu se mai compara cu Chrysler pentru ca brandul a fost ridicat de la statutul de masina a poporului la ceva mai sus da' nu chiar la nivel audi. skoda i-a luat locul. iar ca sa fim seriosi, skoda nu e chiar low cost. marcile coreene sunt intr-adevar low cost. dar si astea incep usor sa urce.

referitor la ce spune 2pac despre skoda, pot spune ca de curand citeam intr-o revista auto despre planurile de viitor ale skoda ce implica practic declasarea marcii astfel incat sa concureze cu masini gen dacia. probabil si-au dat seama ca iincepe sa manance serios din felia vw.

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daca-ti cumperi o masina doar sa te deplasezi de la a la b ,dacia nu are concurenta si nu vad in viitor ca cineva sa-i puna piedica. eu stiu doua loganuri mcv ,apartin unei firme de transport, care au 350 000 de km si nu au avut probleme , de niciun fel, nici macar ceva pe la suspensie.propietarul s-a dus la renault sa intrebe cat l-ar costa un motor 1.5dci ,asta in caz ca ramane cu masina in drum , si respectivii au spus 10 000 lei cu tot cu montaj.

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PostPosted: 30 Nov 2011, 19:20 
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Lancia si Chrysler vor folosi un limbaj de design comun pentru viitoarele modele. Practic aproape orice model Chrysler va avea corespondent pe piata europeana sub marca Lancia si viceversa. Lorenzo Ramaciotti este cel care se va ocupa de stabilirea unui limbaj de design comun pentru cele doua marci.
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MILAN -- Fiat S.p.A. is counting on Lorenzo Ramaciotti, the designer of the Ferrari 612 Scaglietti, to make Chrysler models appear at home in both Detroit and Milan.

The 63-year-old, lured out of retirement in 2007, is leading efforts by the automaker to create a common styling for Chrysler and its Italian sister brand Lancia in a bid to save costs and more than double their sales by 2014. The strategy attempts to create a family resemblance from models that stretch from urban subcompacts to spacious minivans.
"We are trying to find an international language, which could have a place both here in Italy and in the U.S.," Ramaciotti, who heads design at Fiat and Chrysler, said in an interview in Turin. "If you put all the models into the showroom, they must fit together. It's a delicate problem."
Sergio Marchionne, CEO of Fiat and Chrysler Group, combined the two nameplates to forge a competitive global automaker out of the struggling Italian company and the formerly bankrupt U.S. manufacturer. Chrysler and Lancia are meant to appeal to mid-market consumers to lead a 64 percent surge in group sales to 5.9 million vehicles by 2014.
Fiat targets combined Chrysler and Lancia deliveries of 800,000 vehicles in three years, up from about 300,000 now. The merger of the two brands kicked off in June, when Marchionne pulled the U.S. brand from continental Europe to favor Lancia, which is dependent on sales of compacts in debt-strapped Italy. The Chrysler 300 sedan has been rebadged as the Thema for Lancia, while a minivan is being sold as the Voyager.

'No personality' risk

The strategy creates a challenge for Fiat as it seeks to balance reduced spending on new models with consumer expectations for a car that's supposed to be local, said Roberto Verganti, author of the 2009 book "Design-Driven Innovation."
"It's extremely difficult to succeed in a strategy of globalizing design," said Verganti, a management professor at Milan Polytechnic. "The risk is making international cars with no personality. When you buy a Lancia, you are looking for a piece of Italy, and when you choose a Chrysler, you are getting a slice of America."
The Chrysler-Lancia combination is an exception for Fiat. Other brands, including Dodge, Jeep, Maserati and Alfa Romeo, will retain their unique American and Italian identities, regardless of where the vehicles are sold or built, said Ramaciotti, who spends one week a month in Detroit to oversee design projects.

Lancia's struggles

Lancia is a weak link for Fiat in Europe, where the Italian carmaker loses an estimated 800 million euros a year ($1.08 billion) as it struggles to compete with Volkswagen AG. Fiat's market share in the region fell to 7.1 percent through October from 8 percent a year earlier, hurt by slack demand in Italy and an aging line-up.
The mid-market Italian brand, which aims to introduce five new models over the next three years, won't likely reach its target of more than doubling annual sales from about 100,000 vehicles now, said Pierluigi Bellini, an analyst at IHS Automotive in Milan.
"It's very difficult for Lancia to boost sales significantly because it sells about 90 percent of its cars in the depressed Italian market," Bellini said.
Before Lancia added the two rebranded Chrysler models, its offering consisted of the 12,600-euro Ypsilon subcompact, the 17,040-euro Musa compact and the 20,470-euro Delta wagon. The Chrysler models, which went on sale this month, could broaden its appeal. So far they've at least been attracting curiosity.

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"People are coming into the showroom to have a look," said Roberto Ferrari, who owns a Lancia dealer outside Milan. "Reactions are good. The Thema is pretty, design is attractive for Italians, too, but no one is buying these kinds of cars now," because the debt crisis calls for understatement.
Fiat targets annual deliveries of 10,000 Themas and 11,000 Voyagers, helped by the combination of the two brands' dealer networks, which boosted Lancia's sales outlets 40 percent to 650 stores. Last year, Chrysler sold about 2,500 sedans and wagons of the 300 line, while delivering 5,600 Grand Voyager minivans.
Chrysler has struggled to establish a foothold in Europe compared with General Motors Co. and Ford Motor Co., which both outsell Fiat in the region. The U.S. carmaker bought a stake in France's Simca in 1958 and then sold its European operations to Peugeot in 1978. Under Stuttgart, Germany-based Daimler AG, the brand renewed its effort in Europe, with sales peaking at about 120,000 cars in 2007. Overall, Chrysler sold about 37,000 cars in Europe last year, including Dodge and Jeep models.

More than a badge

The re-badging, a quick and cheap way for automakers to share models, has shown some signs of success. The Fiat Freemont, the European version of the Dodge Journey, has received about 18,000 orders since its June debut, more than double the model's peak sales of 8,300 in 2009.
Still, the ambitions of Ramaciotti, who developed cars including the Ferrari 550 Maranello and the Maserati Quattroporte during more than 30 years with designer Pininfarina SpA, go beyond slapping a new label on a car.
"We don't want to do pure badge-engineering; it has never worked well in the long run," said Ramaciotti, who gave up his retirement plans to join Fiat and designed the Maserati Kubang sport-utility vehicle concept introduced in September. "We should be global in sharing platforms and strategies without dulling the product line."
To get a mix of U.S. and Italian input, teams in Detroit and Turin are competing to develop a design language that can suit both brands, Ramaciotti said, adding that the styling would evolve as new products get released. In the meantime, Italian flair is already finding its way into Chrysler cars with a version of the 300 getting leather interiors from furniture-maker Poltrona Frau S.p.A.
"It's hard work and a long way to go for Chrysler and Lancia to find a common identity," said Verganti. "It's big challenge for Ramaciotti."
De altfel, nu ar fi pentru prima oara in istoria Lanciei cand designul folosit capata influente de peste ocean. Una din Lanciile mele preferate din toate timpurile este si aceasta Florida, realizata de Pininfarina in stilul automobilelor americane din acea epoca, pe baza Aureliei, prefigurand viitoarea nava amiral Flaminia.


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PostPosted: 01 Dec 2011, 12:52 
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eu personal nu cred in succesul acestui limbaj comun pentru lancia si chrysler. sunt diferente mult prea mari intre cultura americana si cea europeana. diferente care se revarsa atat asupra designului cat si tehnicii. desi daca asupra tehnici se poate intrevedea o umbra de speranta, pentru design nu dau nici o sansa.
pe partea de tehnica au mai incercat si altii solutii (vezi mercedes) si au dat gres. si ma gandesc acum, daca mercedes cu a lor putere financiara si manageriala nu au reusit sa faca treaba, de ce ar reusi un macaronar? si fiatul in general, care din punct de vedere al managementului si marketingului, in opinia mea, sunt mult sub mercedes.

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noul 300C nu pare deloc o masina rea..
In nou lansata editie " Luxury Series" e chiar... :dribble:


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PostPosted: 23 Jan 2012, 16:27 
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Se lucreaza la o noua platforma pentru clasa mare.
Hai cu Alfa 169 !

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Ce mi se pare interesant e faptul ca discuta despre posibilitatea montarii unui motor cu tractiune ( pardon), propulsie :)
pe unul dintre modelele viitoare ale grupului...asadar, iar incep sperantele de mai bine :cry:

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Din pacate nu detin o sursa oficiala, dar se pare ca alianta Fiat-Chrysler are un substrat, astfel ca numai Chrysler va comercializa masini cu volanul pe partea dreapta; vrei Alfa Romeo Giulietta in Anglia, iti cumperi Chrysler 100, vrei Lancia Delta, iti cumperi Chrysler Delta (Lancia Delta oricum a avut volanul doar pe partea stanga)...

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daca se va adeveri stirea, atunci nu pot sa zic altceva decat ca este o decizie mizerabila

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Ha...chestia asta sigur va contribui la "succesul" marcii...Daca nici in Anglia nu vor mai vinde (unde sunt super fani..), atunci e jale..


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Asta cu Chrysler vanduta ca Alfa e greu de incadrat macar la zvonuri, e un non-story.

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Sperantele de a mai vedea Alfe cu propulsie sunt legate in momentul de o fata de o completa integrare a produselor concernului FIAT-Chrysler. Se vorbeste din nou despre o platforma dezolvoltata in State pentru urmasul lui Dodge Challenger, de care ar putea beneficia si o berlina mare Alfa (169 ?) si o pereche coupe/cabrio (6C ?).

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Marchionne a declarat recent ca viitorul Jeep Liberty, preconizat a fi prezentat la Detroit anul viitor, va avea un nou motor Pentastar V6 cu o capacitate de 3.2 litri (versiunea actuala are o capacitate de 3.6 litri). Ramane de vazut daca acest motor va fi disponibil si pe suv-ul Alfa, sau pe versiunea de serie a conceptului Kubang.
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Unele bloguri prefigureaza deja ca acest motor va fi folosit de toate cele tei marci italiene premium -Alfa, Lancia, Maserati- impreuna cu o noua cutie automata cu 9 viteze dezvoltata de ZF.

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Inca o dovada a integrarii in cadrul concernului : in Australia, de vanzarile Alfa, Fiat (masini si utilitare) se va ocupa divizia Chrysler. Anul trecut s-au vandut acolo 2635 de masini apartinand celor trei branduri - Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Fiat Professional.


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Articol in care se explica de ce mariajul Fiat-Chrysler are toate sansele sa reuseasca : link.
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Da, foarte interesant articolul. Fiat si Marchione au reusit sa isi construiasca o imagine foarte buna peste ocean iar asta va avea un efect puternic asupra relansarii Alfa in SUA.

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Nu stiam ca alianta Chrysler -Daimler a fost asa de rea pentru americani :(

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Putin cam mult spus ca si-au construit o imagine buna.
Fiat-ul este privit acum cu simpatie, ca o marca exotica-europena ce nu mai este de mult prezenta pe piata lor, dar fix-it-again-2moro inca face parte din felul cum este vazuta marca. Lucreaza la imagine, da, iar 500-le starneste zambete pe unde apare, dar campania cu J.Lo si faptul ca nu a primit calificative foarte bune in testele de accident n-au fost chiar debutul fulminant la care sperau. Dart-ul este practic primul fruct al mariajului, vanzarile anul acesta sunt bune pentru 500, daca se continua pe calea asta se poate spune ca vor ajunge sa aibe o imagine buna, care sa serveasca eventual si Alfei atunci cand vor debuta vanzarile.

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Cateva din deciziile din viitorul apropiat in ceea ce priveste partea america a concernului :

- Vanul de mari dimensiuni Dodge Caravan/Chrysler Town&Country, vandut in Europa sub numele de Lancia Voyager va fi inlocuit la sfarsitul anului 2013 de un singur model, ce se va vinde sub sigla Dodge, cu numele Grand Caravan.
-sub ele, pentru toate trei marcile, va fi disponibil apoi un alt monovolum, construit pe platforma CUSW ( conform unor anumite surse, acesta ar putea fi in genul lui Mercedes R-Klasse)
-in curand va fi introdus in gama Fiat 500 Electric, cu asumarea faptului ca pentru fiecare model vandut se vor pierde bani ! Miscarea este insa necesara pentru a raspunde cerintelor din California si alte state americane cu legislatie ce favorizeaza masinile ecologice.
-Jeep Compass/ si Patriot, ambele construite pe platforma defunctului Dodge Caliber vor continua sa fie produse pana in 2014. Pentru succesorul lui Compass inca se evalueaza care va fi succesorul, iar despre viitorul Patriot nu s-a mai spus nimic.
-Dodge Dart va avea si un varf de gama sub sigla SRT, insa nu s-a hotarat cat de mare sa fie insa motorul pe care-l va folosi.

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