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PostPosted: 06 Mar 2009, 10:11 
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Desi poarta mare si mandru numele Fiat,motoarele care fac sau vor face parte din aceasta familie (tehnologia multiair) se vor regasi si pe Alfe.
Nu mai departe de zilele trecute la Geneva,vedeta standului Alfa,Mito GTA arboreaza un nou motor cu sigla FPT.
Fie spus,voi prefera oricand un motor conceput in Italia intr-o Alfa decat unul care si-a inceput viata in Australia sau aiurea. :)

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PostPosted: 06 Mar 2009, 11:13 
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Fiat To Debut Revolutionary Multiair Engine Tech On 2010 Alfa Romeo MiTo
Mar 5th, 2009

Fiat has launched its new Multiair petrol engine technology, which it claims can slash fuel consumption by up to 25 percent, reduce CO2 emissions by 10 percent and improve both power and torque output.

By using a electro-hydraulic tappet between the camshaft and the intake valves, the Multiair system can vary valve lift profiles on-the-fly with precision and greater versatility that other variable cam systems.

A solenoid controls the flow of oil from the camshaft side of the assembly to the valve stem, with a solid linkage being made between the two when the solenoid is closed and the valve being decoupled from the cam when the solenoid is open.

When peak power is called for, the solenoid stays closed at all times, creating maximum valve lift and duration for the best performance. When lots of low-down torque is demanded, the solenoid is opened near the end of the cam profile to boost grunt

The Multiair system can also delay valve opening, lower lift, shorten duration and create a unique “multi lift” double-peaked cam profile to maximise economy and lower emissions. It’s all very clever, and - mechanical complexity aside - a brilliant means of extracting the best performance from a single engine.

The 2010 Alfa Romeo MiTo will be the first car in the Fiat family to receive the sophisticated Multiair technology on its 1.4 litre four-pot, while the 1.0 litre version of the same motor will also benefit from the advanced valvetrain. The system is compatible with both naturally-aspirated and forced-induction engines.

A low-displacement two-cylinder engine will also receive the Multiair treatment, however it has yet to be revealed what vehicle will be the recipient of that motor. It will likely power a compact city car, however Fiat hints that it could also see service as an on-board power generator for a future hybrid offering.

There’s loads more detail on the precise mechanics behind the Multiair system, so those of you with a penchant for techno-geekery should check out Fiat’s press release below.

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PostPosted: 06 Mar 2009, 11:20 
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suna bine

linku e la misto?

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PostPosted: 06 Mar 2009, 12:00 
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Link-ul nu era la misto (cu toate ca e valabil, dar nu aici), era chiar acelasi pe care l-a postat si marius insa nush ce s-a intamplat.

Rog un moderator sa il starga.

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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2009, 13:30 
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Lucreaza cam de mult la el, dar tot e bine ca au reusit. Numai uitati-va ce diagrame de distributie reusesc cu chestia asta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NX9ouHKKrk

Cica din toamna o sa il bage pe 1.8T, 1.4T (135 si 165cp) si noul 0.9. Euro5 si Euro6 lejer cica.

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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2009, 13:41 
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Ce-i aratarea aia de GP cu faruri de Scirocco si stopuri de Megane 2 pe care este exemplificat sistemul? :lol: Oricum, pare interesanta inovatia..

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PostPosted: 08 Mar 2009, 20:54 
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Ignorati aratarea, Multiair e highlightu filmului, iar rezultatele cel putin pe hirtie mi se par ametitoare. Daca nu v-ati prins, masina este SOHC cu un ax cu came pentru evacuare si admisie. Numai ca admisia are chestiile alea hidraulice care controleaza durata si momentul deschiderii/inchiderii supapelor. :clapping:


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PostPosted: 09 Mar 2009, 13:17 
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Masina nu este SOHC, este DOHC, insa actuarea valvelor se face doar pe admisie, nu si pe evacuare.

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PostPosted: 09 Mar 2009, 17:43 
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E super sistemul si foarte performant.
Din cate stiu eu FIAT lucreaza la sistemul asta in colaborare cu INA Schaeffler de vreo 5 ani. Am avut un coleg care a lucrat la proiectul asta in Germania pentru actuatoarele alea. Din ce mi-a povestit el FIAT lucreaza la motoare pe benzina destul de nervoase. Am avut si eu ocazia sa vad la INA niste chiulase cu configuratii ciudate.
Ceva asemanator cu sistemul asta cred ca a fost implementat la motoarele de F1 si e brevetat de FIAT. Din cate am inteles din discutii cu fostii colegi din INA, FIAT nu va mai vinde licenta la brevetul asta cum au facut cu common rail.

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PostPosted: 09 Mar 2009, 19:30 
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Fiat a inventat common rail? Ce tare! :clapping: Cred ca vom vedea din ce in ce mai des imbunatatiri la consum si noxe, din moment ce normele euro sunt din ce in ce mai dure.


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PostPosted: 09 Mar 2009, 20:50 
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Se pare ca FIAT se orienteaza spre motoare cu litraj mic supraalimentate cu sistem de admisie Multiair si vor sa intre tare si pe piata americana. E foarte interesanta politica lor: motoare mici turbo = taxe mici, noxe reduse, rezerva de putere.
Istoria Common Rail se pare ca a impulsionat oarecum FIAT si au castigat credibilitate. VW de exemplu aveau sistemul lor de injectie - pompa injector, numai ca nu a mai putut fi dezvoltat ca sa ajunga la norme euro 4 si asa ca a trebuit sa adopte sistemul common rail. Din cate am auzit de la mecanicii de la VW au fost probleme cu generatia de diesel VW euro 4.

Abia astept sa apara AR 169 cu un V6 Multiair.

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PostPosted: 11 Mar 2009, 22:55 
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Indica-mi si mie unde este al doilea ax cu came, ca mi-a intrat o bufnita in ochi. Este SOHC toata ziua, un ax cu came care actioneaza evacuarea si admisia (prin actuatoarele alea hidraulice).

Se face o mare greseala considerind ca VAG a "inventat" PD. PD exista de MULTA vreme pe camioane dar si pe masini, un exemplu fiind LandRover Discovery II de acum ceva vreme cu L5 2.5 de 135cp. Deci nu au inventat nimic, asa cum a facut Fiat cu CR. CR e un concept complet nou, dezvoltat teoretic de Univ din Zurich si preluat de Fiat+Bosch.


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PostPosted: 13 Mar 2009, 13:04 
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Ai dreptate, m-am uitat mai atent si intradevar e SOHC. Dar e cu atat mai bine: mai putine parti in miscare => mai putine pierderi. Marea intrebare ramane: cat de fiabile o sa fie actuatoarele astea?

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PostPosted: 14 Mar 2009, 09:33 
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Eh, asta e chestia cu adevarat importanta. Sistemul este construit intr-un fel incit macar sa nu ramii cu masina in drum, adica daca se strica solenoidul ala care lasa lichidul hidraulic sa iasa din camera, masina functioneaza in Starea 1 prezentata acolo, adica adincime si timp maxim de deschidere a supapei. Cu alte cuvinte, solenoidul ala lasa ulei sa iasa din camera pentru a varia diagramele de distributie iar daca nu functioneaza, masina merge ca o masina normala fara nici un fel de VVT/VVL.

Probabil sistemul nu va fi implementat pe masini de turatii mari, e mai potrivit pe masini turbo cu max 6500RPM. Si cel mai important, e compatibil si cu DIESEL. Deja visez la un JTD cu Multiair.


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Este cel mai evoluat sistem de distributie variabila pe care l-am vazut pana acum simplu si eficient. Cei de la BMW numai aberatii au scos pana acum.
De stricat nu vad cum s-ar intampla asta, solenoidul e asemanator cu cel de la common rail. Eventual sa ajunga span-mizerie in orificiul de la supapa, asta ar fi scenariu cel mai urat, dar diametrul gaurilor pentru ulei e destul de mare.
Nu vad de ce nu s-ar preta ma motoare de turatii mari. Timpul de raspuns este destul de rapid din momentul in care poate sa deschida supapa de mai multe ori pe ciclu.
Poate identificati in poza culbutorul de tabla facut de INA :wink: solutie iefina, speram sa fie si buna.


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PostPosted: 15 Mar 2009, 00:29 
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IRBabuin Quote:
Deja visez la un JTD cu Multiair.
Parca nu iti placea diesel, acuma visezi la el ;) ? How so ? Ce ai patit ?


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Eh, una e ce imi place, alta e ce imi permit.
Heh, culbutoru ala e de fapt singurul pe admisie. Cu role, cum trebuie pentru reducerea frecarilor.


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Multiair-primul video

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Multiair - al doilea clip

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PostPosted: 13 Jul 2009, 20:40 
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Culbutorii aia ieftini de tabla se folosesc si acum si sunt un sistem de protectie in caz de avarie a distributiei-se rup ei si scapa axele ,supapele,pistoanele.
O fi grozav motorul asta ,dar istoria si emblema AR sunt motoarele DOHC.


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