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Author:  comanr [ 20 Sep 2013, 19:37 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
E un pic mai complicat, ideea e ca un compresor electric are timpi de raspuns mult mai buni decat un compresor antrenat de gazele de evacuare si pot fi implementate functii de adaptare noi ce tin de temperamentul soferului si conditiile de drum. Deasemenea pot fi implementate functii de "high output" pentru timpi scurti de cateva zeci de secunde.
asta e tehnologia, lucrurile merg inainte dpdv poluare redusa si performante mai bune , toate astea cu un consum mai mic, asta pentru cine e interesat de fenomen, multi utilizatori de diesel vor sa vada totul "numa o tzeava". :peace:
Author:  comanr [ 20 Sep 2013, 20:12 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
@freezer

valva aia bypass e folosita pentru descarcarea compresorului electric.
Author:  bluecar [ 21 Sep 2013, 01:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
astazi am desfacut egr-ul si senzorul de pe galerie(si le-am curatat putin) sa vad cum arata blindurile dupa 2000km,parerea mea este ca nu arata rau tinand cont ca 1500 sunt facuti in oras.
nu pot sa zic daca turbina intra chiar la 1600rpm dar se simte mult mai bine decat cu furtunele,fum nu scoate decat daca la 2000rpm apas brusc pedala iese fum nu mult pret de 3-4 secunde pana urca mai mult in turatii dar vizibil numai seara la lumina farurilor unei masini din spate,ziua nu se vede si i-am dat pana la rosu.
eu pot sa anulez egr cu FES-ul? sau trebuie cineva care se pricepe bine,i-as face remap dar momentan mai tin de bani.
nu as vrea un remap agresiv cred ca 15-20 cai ar fi suficient.

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Author:  FREEZER [ 21 Sep 2013, 01:41 ]
Post subject:  Alfa Romeo GT
EGR-ul se anuleaza numai din soft. Din ce vad in primele imagini, EGR-ul arata ca si c n-ar fi avut tabliltele. Aceeasi funingine se depunea si fara ele. Presupun.


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Alfa Brera 2,4 JTDM 20v 200+ (by ILuzoriu)
Author:  comanr [ 21 Sep 2013, 08:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
Tablitele alea sant fix p_ _a.
Ajuta la colmatarea lui rapida.Ori mergi cu el cum e original ori il astupi(alfacub style).Eu in locul tau l as blinda macar temporar sa vad cum sta cu lag ul avand in vedere ca ai mai schimbat diverse in timp.
Author:  bluecar [ 21 Sep 2013, 09:18 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
si cu tablitele sa schimbat putin mersul in bine,uite ca si astia care le vand zic:

Installation will make you feel the power previously lost due to the damage of the exhaust fumes recirculation sensor. Instead of spending a few hundred euro for the repair in a workshop, just buy it and enjoy the restauration of your car’s full abilities.

The plug installation will highly improve the work of the engine (the power and dynamics are restored)

acum poate este si reclama dar la mine sa simtit

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EGR-Valve-Bla ... 4ac5e8aa59" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

acum o sa le comand pe acestea:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Egr-Blanking- ... 4ac8628d6c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

cei de la reprezentanta pot anula egr-ul?
Author:  FREEZER [ 21 Sep 2013, 12:11 ]
Post subject:  Alfa Romeo GT
Nu cred ca o sa-ti anuleze EGR-ul la reprezentanta, sub pretextul ca nu ar fi benefic pentru motor si mediul inconjurator iar daca ar fi de acord, sunt convins ca te-ar costa mai mult decat un remap+EGR off. Daca tot vrei sa-l anulezi, vorbeste cu Tibi. Asa impusti doi iepuri deodata (remap&EGR off).
Cat despre senzatia data de acele placute, cred ca era doar senzatie. La fel merg si eu pe premiza: ori blindat 100% ori deloc.
Eu le-am blindat la ambele pentru ca nu vreau ca motorul meu sa "inspire" aer imbacsit plus ca la Brera mi-a dat probleme admisia din cauza mizeriei depuse pe clapetele swirl (doar motoarele 2.4 de la 159/Brera si ultimele 1.9 de la 147 au asa ceva) toate astea plecand de la EGR. Simptomele erau ca motorul intra in Safe Mode si asa am fost nevoit sa desfac admisia doar pe jumatate pentru ca demontand-o 100% insemna sa umblu iarasi la distributie (mai umblasem recent cand am schimbat pompa de apa) pentru a da jos pompa de inalta presiune. Pentru ca nu poti da jos toata galeria pana nu dai jos pompa de inalta presiune. Asa am desfacut doar capacul dinspre bord. Nu-ti spun cata mizerie se adunase acolo.

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Alfa Brera 2,4 JTDM 20v 200+ (by ILuzoriu)
Author:  bluecar [ 21 Sep 2013, 21:03 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
salut,

astazi am pus FES-ul si o gramada de erori multe de cand am schimbat alarma gresisem un fir si cred ca de acolo au aparut,le-am sters si nu au mai aparut:

READING ERROR CODES:
1: P0704 - Clutch switch
Clutch pedal switch signal circuit malfunction
The reason for this fault is that ECU has received invalid signal from the sensor. The fault is not detected now, but it is stored in memory. Clear fault codes, and observe for future appearance of the same fault. Dashboard warning light was not activated for this fault.
2: U1600 - Electronic key
A defect is detected in the Electronic Key Immobilizer function. The engine management ECU has not received the code from the Immobilizer ECU.
Possible causes:
1) the used key is defective or not acknowledged; ensure that the key is correctly coded for this vehicle. Try with a known good spare key of this vehicle.
2) wiring problem between the Engine and Immobilizer ECUs
3) Immobilizer system defective
4) Immobilizer or Engine ECU power or ground supply
5) The Immobilizer and Engine ECUs may not have been matched properly together, if one or the other has been renewed, or one of the ECUs may already have been initialized to an other one, if a second hand ECU has been installed.
The reason for this fault is that ECU has received very high signal from the sensor. The fault is not detected now, but it is stored in memory. Clear fault codes, and observe for future appearance of the same fault. Dashboard warning light was not activated for this fault.
3: U1706 - CAN network (NCM - NFR)
No help available
The reason for this fault is that ECU did not receive signal from the sensor. The fault is not detected now. Clear fault codes, and observe for future appearance of the same fault. Dashboard warning light was activated for this fault.

si pun si ceva parametri la 3000rpm dar in parcare:


READING PARAMETERS:
Odometer: 0,0 km
Engine overrevs: 11
Max. engine speed time: 3610 ms
Max engine speed: 5840 rpm
Odometer at last programming: 0,0 km
Engine speed: 3211 rpm
Engine temperature: 89,1 °C
Fuel pressure regulator duty cycle: 25,26 %
High pressure regulator current: 1029 mA
Desired intake air quantity: 1162,3 mg/i
Intake air quantity: 515,9 mg/i
EGR duty cycle: 1,00 %
Baro pressure: 1023 mBar
Air temperature: 35,0 °C
Vehicle speed: 0,00 km/h
Battery voltage: 13,97825 V
Fuel temperature: 34,1 °C
Boost control solenoid valve opening: 53,21 %
Water temperature signal: 1,197 V
Inj. correction Cyl. 3: 0,23 mm³/i
Air temperature (Boost/Manifold): 67,6 °C
Inj. correction Cyl. 4: 0,24 mm³/i
Gas pedal position: 12,3830 %
Gas pedal position signal (Track 1): 1,339 V
Gas pedal position signal (Track 2): 0,674 V
Total fuel quantity: 7,47 mm³/i
Inj. correction Cyl. 1: -0,34 mm³/i
Inj. correction Cyl. 5: mm³/i
Inlet circ. throttle solenoid valve: 1,00 %
Desired fuel pressure: 650,7 bar
Fuel pressure: 646,1 bar
Desired boost pressure: 1277 mBar
Boost pressure: 1537 mBar
Boost pressure signal: 2,429 V
Inj. correction Cyl. 2: -0,12 mm³/i
Cooling fan PWM control: 0,00 %
A/C pressure: bar
Baro pressure signal: 4,042 V
Air temperature signal: 1,970 V
Air temperature signal (Boost/Manifold): 1,393 V
Air quantity signal: 3,353 V
Fuel temperature signal: 2,708 V
Injection time: 0,439 ms
Injection timing: 7,94 deg.
Air control inhibition: Air control ON
A/C System: Yes
Boost pressure command/control: No
Cruise control resume button (RCL): Released
Cruise control dec. (-): Released
Cruise control incr. (+): Released
Cruise control status: Cruise control
Water in fuel filter: No
Synchronization status: Synchronized engine
Quadrinary: OFF
Trinary: OFF
Universal code: Not enabled
Fuel filter heater: OFF
Cruise control: Pressure on pipe
Engine start permission: Allowed
Glow plug heater module: OFF
A/C Request: OFF
Oil pressure: OK
Brake light switch: OFF
A/C compressor relay: OFF
Clutch pedal switch: OFF
Brake pedal switch: OFF
Fuel pump relay: ON
A/C unit fan: OFF
Cruise control switch: OFF
Gas pedal signal status:
Injector code Cyl. 1: A8IIFGAAA
Injector code Cyl. 2: A1IIFYAAA
Injector code Cyl. 3: AR1EAYAAA
Injector code Cyl. 4: 8HHID3AAA
Injector code Cyl. 5:

de ce la 3211rpm
Desired intake air quantity: 1162,3 mg/i
Intake air quantity: 515,9 mg/i ?

si la 2173rpm este:
Desired intake air quantity: 407,1 mg/i
Intake air quantity: 407,4 mg/i ?

ma refer la diferentele intre 1162,3 mg/i si 515,9 mg/i ?
Author:  FREEZER [ 21 Sep 2013, 21:30 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
Fa o verificare de genul si dupa blindarea EGR-ului. Cantitatea de aer pare injumatatita. Vezi pe unde se pierde.


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Alfa Brera 2,4 JTDM 20v 200+ (by ILuzoriu)
Author:  comanr [ 21 Sep 2013, 22:49 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
egr pare dus cu vaca. pana vine kitul minune taie si tu o conserva si pune in capul tevii care vine cu gaze de evacuare in vana EGR.

daca si cu egr obturat ai probleme cu lag ul atunci verifica partea de geometrie variabila, control turbina, trasee vacuum.
Author:  tzzivii [ 22 Sep 2013, 01:48 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
Logurile nu se fac pe loc.
Author:  bluecar [ 22 Sep 2013, 09:07 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
tzzivii Quote:
Logurile nu se fac pe loc.
da stiu,dar in mers trebuie sa mearga cu mine cineva care sa stie sa le interpreteze.
Author:  FREEZER [ 23 Sep 2013, 02:19 ]
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Nu neaparat. Cel putin, tine laptopul in dreapta, bifand ceea ce te intereseaza pe tine sa monitorizezi si probeaza masina undeva pe o linie dreapta unde poti ajunge in treapta a 4-a dar cum am mai zis: accelerand pana la fund si cu EGR-ul obturat. Apoi vezi logul sau il postezi aici. In principiu conteaza presiunea si debitul de aer in functie de turatie. Stiu ca ar fi bine ca cineva sa vada acel grafic in timp real, dar oricum iti ramane inregistrat. Pentru a citi mai simplu valorile, te uiti in parametrii grafici.

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Alfa Brera 2,4 JTDM 20v 200+ (by ILuzoriu)
Author:  bluecar [ 25 Sep 2013, 09:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
salut,

pentru cine mai vrea sa cumpere admisie de inox am gasit aceeasi marca(eu nu am cumparat noi)

http://www.ebay.it/itm/TUBO-TUBI-INOX-I ... uhb=1#shId" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Author:  bluecar [ 25 Sep 2013, 21:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
astazi am vazut stopul spate aburit cand ma uit mai bine era spart,ieri nu avea nimic. cred ca a facut-o cineva din rautate.

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Author:  mitza [ 25 Sep 2013, 22:24 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
They see you rollin', they hatin'!
Author:  comanr [ 25 Sep 2013, 22:38 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
la galati sau braila nimic nu e de mirare, guverneaza marlania.Ma intreb ce ar fi mai rau , vaslui cred.
Author:  bluecar [ 26 Sep 2013, 09:09 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
da asa este marlanie,ce ma doare ca a fost lovit intentionat cred stopul este putin mai inauntru decat caroseria.daca era lovitura de masina atingea si caroseria,plus ca parchez cu spatele la bordura alte masini nu pot trece pe acolo decat pietoni.nu mai spun cate zgarieturi si lovituri mici am gasit.
ma gandeam sa o vopsesc dar nu cheltui bani pentru ca in scurt timp ajunge la fel.
funny:in urma cu 3 saptamani intr-o dimineata un vecin care parca in fata blocului si-a gasit megane-ul cu rotile din fata un metru peste burdura in urma unei lovituri in spate(cu frana de mana trasa)tot portbabagajul infundat si putin fata care sa zgariat de un stalp daca era cu 30-40 cm mai la stanga ii facea si fata varza.bineinteles ca cel care a lovit masina a fugit,pe jos se vedea doar ceva plastic de bara si far.
prinde orbul...........
nu stiu daca mai este undeva comportamentul asta de jungla :(
Author:  antonelcodreanu [ 26 Sep 2013, 09:21 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
bluecar Quote:
nu stiu daca mai este undeva comportamentul asta de jungla :(
\
In Franta, la Paris... daca nu iti faci loc in fata si in spate, nu ai facut parcare!
Author:  bluecar [ 26 Sep 2013, 22:15 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
antonelcodreanu Quote:
bluecar Quote:
nu stiu daca mai este undeva comportamentul asta de jungla :(
\
In Franta, la Paris... daca nu iti faci loc in fata si in spate, nu ai facut parcare!

a da stiu si in spania si italia,cate masini de italia sunt cu barile "lovite".pe mine ma deranjeaza ca stopul a fost lovit intentionat in parcare si nu de masina ca nu are cum sa ajunga acolo.

cat despre vecin masina era parcata cu fata in bordura(nu lateral) in unghi de 45 grade.cine a lovit-o nu a vrut sa parcheze,cred ca nu a fost atent sau era beat.
Author:  bluecar [ 26 Sep 2013, 22:44 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
astazi am reusit cat de cat sa pun FES-ul la mai multe turatii,la 3811rpm si 90 km/h si la 2586rpm si84,23 /h.
din nou la 3811rpm este diferanta:

Desired intake air quantity: 1200,0 mg/i
Intake air quantity: 595,3 mg/i

am observat ca dupa 3300rpm apare aceasta diferenta

READING PARAMETERS:
Max engine speed: 5840 rpm
Engine speed: 3811 rpm
Engine temperature: 87,8 °C
Fuel pressure regulator duty cycle: 29,41 %
Desired intake air quantity: 1200,0 mg/i
Intake air quantity: 595,3 mg/i
EGR duty cycle: 1,00 %
Baro pressure: 1010 mBar
Air temperature: 24,6 °C
Vehicle speed: 89,51 km/h
Boost control solenoid valve opening: 50,65 %
Inj. correction Cyl. 3: -0,04 mm³/i
Inj. correction Cyl. 4: 0,60 mm³/i
Inj. correction Cyl. 1: -0,79 mm³/i
Inlet circ. throttle solenoid valve: 1,00 %
Desired fuel pressure: 710,9 bar
Fuel pressure: 703,2 bar
Desired boost pressure: 1449 mBar
Boost pressure: 1778 mBar
Boost pressure signal: 2,796 V
Cooling fan PWM control: 0,00 %
Air temperature signal (Boost/Manifold): 1,657 V
Injection time: 0,474 ms
Injection timing: 14,13 deg.

READING PARAMETERS:
Max engine speed: 5840 rpm
Engine speed: 2586 rpm
Engine temperature: 88,4 °C
Fuel pressure regulator duty cycle: 30,58 %
Desired intake air quantity: 461,9 mg/i
Intake air quantity: 590,4 mg/i
EGR duty cycle: 37,08 %
Baro pressure: 1010 mBar
Air temperature: 24,7 °C
Vehicle speed: 84,23 km/h
Boost control solenoid valve opening: 56,25 %
Inj. correction Cyl. 3: 0,07 mm³/i
Inj. correction Cyl. 4: 0,46 mm³/i
Inj. correction Cyl. 1: -0,83 mm³/i
Inlet circ. throttle solenoid valve: 1,00 %
Desired fuel pressure: 594,1 bar
Fuel pressure: 595,5 bar
Desired boost pressure: 1093 mBar
Boost pressure: 1347 mBar
Boost pressure signal: 2,131 V
Cooling fan PWM control: 0,00 %
Air temperature signal (Boost/Manifold): 1,720 V
Injection time: 0,564 ms
Injection timing: 3,94 deg.


este normal corectiile la injectoare sa aiba valori asa mari?am uitat sa bifez si cilindrul 2

READING PARAMETERS:
Max engine speed: 5840 rpm
Engine speed: 3256 rpm
Engine temperature: 87,5 °C
Fuel pressure regulator duty cycle: 48,19 %
Desired intake air quantity: 1200,0 mg/i
Intake air quantity: 715,0 mg/i
EGR duty cycle: 1,00 %
Baro pressure: 1008 mBar
Air temperature: 27,3 °C
Vehicle speed: 111,99 km/h
Boost control solenoid valve opening: 34,38 %
Inj. correction Cyl. 3: 0,47 mm³/i
Inj. correction Cyl. 4: 0,17 mm³/i
Inj. correction Cyl. 1: -1,29 mm³/i
Inlet circ. throttle solenoid valve: 1,00 %
Desired fuel pressure: 1355,5 bar
Fuel pressure: 1360,4 bar
Desired boost pressure: 2240 mBar
Boost pressure: 2268 mBar
Boost pressure signal: 3,544 V
Cooling fan PWM control: 0,00 %
Air temperature signal (Boost/Manifold): 1,461 V
Injection time: 0,762 ms
Injection timing: 18,91 deg.
Author:  tzzivii [ 27 Sep 2013, 00:27 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
log-urile alea la modul in care le faci tu, le faci fix degeaba.
Author:  bluecar [ 27 Sep 2013, 14:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
da am recunoscut ca nu ma pricep eu am cumparat cablul de diagnoza pentru erori,am postat pentru ca poate cineva sa interpreteze cat de cat parametrii.daca imi puteti spune de unde sa iau informatii cu privire la parametrii normali ai motorului este bine venit.
ieri am fost la bucuresti si pe drum de doua ori aceeasi eroare:

1: P0238 - Boost pressure sensor
Boost control solenoid or boost pressure sensor faulty
The reason for this fault is that ECU has received very high signal from the sensor. The fault is not detected now, but it is stored in memory. Clear fault codes, and observe for future appearance of the same fault. Dashboard warning light was activated for this fault.

apare la turatii mici 2000rpm atunci cand trec intr-o treapta inferioara.o sa cumpar un senzor nou.

la intoarcere am venit cu alte jante,anvelopele sunt uzate dar o sa cumpar altele la vara daca pun 215 50 17 este vreo problema?momentan are 215 45 17.

am cumparat si si alt stop spate pe care il montez tot la vara

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Author:  tzzivii [ 27 Sep 2013, 18:06 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
Sincer nu imi plac!
Author:  bluecar [ 27 Sep 2013, 18:22 ]
Post subject:  Re: Alfa Romeo GT
tzzivii Quote:
Sincer nu imi plac!
am facut schimb cu cele pe 16 ale mele,care oricum trebuiau revopsite(deja oxidese mult si abia ieri am vazut ca erau facute in turcia) si nu ma impacam cu anvelopele barum pe ploaie.
daca primesc multe "dislike" cand mai dau de bani le schimb :lol:
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