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PostPosted: 26 May 2016, 17:57 
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salut!
are cineva vreo schema de sigurante pentru ar147 1.9 8v 115cp?
imi arde continuu siguranta f17.
pornesc masina si moare imediat, probabil o problema de alimentare, posibil chiar pompa; orice sfat e bun venit. mersi

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PostPosted: 27 May 2016, 01:52 
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Car: Alfa 147 JTD
Location: Timisoara <=> Hunedoara
Sper sa ajute,
B1 este locul unde se afla siguranta F17 din fata bateriei iar M10 este ECU de injectie.
Cel mai probabil atinge cablul de caroserie si face scurt.
Pompa de combustibil ii pe siguranta F21.

The engine control unit M10 monitors and controls the entire electronic injection system.
The system is supplied directly by the battery via a line protected by the maxifuse CVM located on the battery, connector B99 .
The supply controlled by the ignition (15/554) reaches pin 58 of M10 from the line protected by fuse F16 of the engine compartment unit B1 .
The main injection relay T9 of B1 controls the entire system; the supply line is protected by fuse F18 of B1; it is energized by a control signal (earth) coming from pin 13 of the control unit M10, and thus sends a supply:

to pin 4 of the actual control unit, via the line from fuse F17 of B1 ;
to pin 5 of the actual control unit, via the line from fuse F22 of B1 ;
to the oil level sensor K31 , to the air flow meter K41 , to the solenoid valves L30 , L36 ; L62 , to the control unit M15 , via the line from fuse F11 of B1
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Pini:

1 - Earth
2 - Earth
3 - Earth
4 - Actuator supply
5 - Injector/ECU supply
9 - Fast FL CAN line
10 - Fast FL CAN line
11 - Immobilizer
13 - Injection relay
15 - Throttle solenoid actuator for control on deactivation
16 - E.G.R. actuator
17 - VGT solenoid actuator
18 - Air conditioner relay
19 - Request to switch on fans 2nd speed
20 - Request to switch on fans 1st speed
21 - Injection warning light
22 - Spark plug activation
23 - Fuel filter relay
24 - Fuel pump relay
28 - C-CAN L
29 - C-CAN H
48, K line
51, Quadrinary on
52, Trinary on
53, Cruise control
54, Brake switch signal (released)
55, Cruise control
56, Cruise control
57, Cruise control
58, Key sense
59, Brake switch signal (pressed0
60, Request to switch on air conditioner
61, Clutch pedal switch
62, Spark plug fault diagnosis
76, Accelerator 1 pedal earth
77, Accelerator 1 pedal
78, Accelerator 1 pedal power supply
79, Accelerator 2 pedal earth
80, Accelerator 2 pedal
81, Accelerator 2 pedal power supply
82, Fuel temperature sensor - pin 1
83, Fuel temperature sensor - pin 2
84, Water temperature sensor - pin 1
85, Water temperature sensor - pin 2
86, Air flow meter - pin 1
88, Air flow meter - pin 3
89, Air flow meter - pin 5
90, Fuel pressure sensor - pin 3
91, Fuel pressure sensor - pin 2
92, Fuel pressure sensor - pin 1
93, Turbocharging pressure sensor - pin 1
94, Turbocharging pressure sensor - pin 3
95, Turbocharging pressure sensor - pin 2
97, Air flow meter - pin 4
98, Engine oil pressure switch
99, Rpm sensor - pin 1
100, Rpm sensor - pin 2
102, Timing sensor - pin 1
103, Timing sensor - pin 2
104, Timing sensor - pin 3
105, Swirl position feed back
108, Diesel pressure regulator
109, Diesel pressure regulator
114, Cylinder 4 injector control
117, Cylinders 1-2 injectors shared
118, Cylinder 3-4 injector common
119, Cylinder 1 injector control
120, Cylinder 2 injector control
121, Cylinder 3 injector control


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PostPosted: 29 May 2016, 15:03 
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Multumesc, colegu'!
Intre timp, am descifrat si problema. Masina nu statea pornita pentru ca fulia de la axa cu came mi-a rupt senzorul. Probabil a mai umblat cineva acolo si n-a strans bine suruburile de pe bloc, sau nu le-a dat un loctite, ceva. Consecinta a fost ca unul dintre firele senzorului facea masa pe blocul motor, sau chiar ambele fire intre ele, si-mi ardea siguranta f17
Acum am pornit-o, dupa inlocuirea senzorului de la axa cu came, dar are un zgomot foarte ciudat, pe care inca nu-l identific. Sa fie vreun dinte sarit de la distributie? vreun injector care nu se mai alimenteaza? Pe tester nu-mi da nimic

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