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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 20 Dec 2022, 20:46 
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Prea mult fagure din ala de plastic in bara fata pentru gusturile mele, dar na, masina nu e facuta pt mine :lol:
Oricum, e doar un exercitiu de design al celor de la Zagato, facuta, spun ei, sa celebreze 100 ani de parteneriat Alfa Romeo - Zagato.

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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 21 Dec 2022, 00:29 
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Chiar urmaream curios sa vad mai multe despre ea, zilele trecute scria pe undeva ca doar la anul in Martie o sa o arate gata, pana la urma a fost mai repede.
Zice lumea ca din spate parca e Aston DBX, in general ceva parca e the new Supra, etc, etc.

Din poze aveam o parere. Dupa ce am vazut video-ul, o parere mai buna. Cred ca live e senzatie.
Totusi partea din fata parca mergea facuta mai bine. :peace:

P.s: am vazut Giulia Fuoriserie, acum SWB Zagato...ce urmeaza?

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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2022, 02:30 
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...ce urmeaza?
Niste electrocasnice Pejo rebranduite...

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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
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Am vazut astazi un twit cu Giulia “ Coda tronca” pe circuit , masina e ceva de vis !!!
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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 23 Dec 2022, 23:54 
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Au postat cei de la Zagato un video, foarte dragut finalul :D
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3293238844283311

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Sa vezi acum ce cresc preturile la SZ


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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 14 Feb 2023, 17:27 
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Pe vremea când designerii aveau inspirație...


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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 27 Feb 2023, 17:44 
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Dane, te asteapta Imparatul aka Imparato, cu Un Peugeot....aaaa Alfa Romeo, Giulia, full electric din 2025. Asa ca vezi cum dozezi urmatorul salary sacrifice sa te aliniezi cu un schimb prin 2026.

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/ ... /new-cars/

In alta ordine de idei, 8C-ul asta imi pare un Maserati recarosat, care la randul lui nu e un Ferrari recarosat?


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PostPosted: 27 Feb 2023, 18:23 
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Folclor, special pentru piata din Romania :lol: :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 27 Feb 2023, 20:36 
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Asta cu profitabilitatea dubla e o chestie tare de tot.

Alfa Romeo financial results: doubled profitability year-on-year
Imparato and his small team took Alfa from loss to profit in 2021. And the boss confirmed that Alfa had doubled its profitability in 2022 compared with the previous year, though without giving figures: Stellantis group doesn’t break out results for most individual brands.

‘Alfa Romeo contributes with a profit per unit which is at the height of the premium market,’ said Imparato. That may be so, but the brand’s volumes remain small. European sales grew by 23.7 per cent, but from a modest 26,465 to 32,737 units. Reports say US sales were less than 13,000 units in 2022.

Deci Marchionne avea dreptate pana la urma, cheia spre o profitabilitate mare e sa vinzi cat mai putin:)...

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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 27 Feb 2023, 22:37 
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Planurile cam astea ar fi (conform Imparato):
“We will release one car a year until 2030. This year, there is the Tonale. In 2024, we will have a launch that will complete the Tonale offer and meet the expectations of people who own a Mito or a Giulietta. We will have an offer on both MHEV (light hybridization) and electric. It will also be Alfa Romeo’s first electric model.” Imparato clarified that the 2024 model won’t be seen as an SUV and the name will be announced along with the details in September. The plan for 2025 is to launch their first 100% electric model. It will be a high-performance vehicle with 350-800 hp. They will also offer a 700 km range and the interesting part is that the customers will be able to recharge in 15 minutes.

Au dezvoltat 2 modele (Giulia si Stelvio) care au necesitat investitie enorma si tot nu merge treaba. Nu mai bine o paleta mai larga in oferta, chiar daca vor contine elemente impartite cu Peugeot / Jeep etc.?

Iar in iunie va fi anuntat viitorul in motorsport: F1 (dar cu cine? Haas?) sau alta competitie.
Pe mine ma uimeste treaba cu incarcarea in 15 minute (chiar si daca este vorba doar despre intervalul 20 --> 80%). Si autonomia de 700 km......


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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 27 Feb 2023, 22:49 
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Deci Marchionne avea dreptate pana la urma, cheia spre o profitabilitate mare e sa vinzi cat mai putin:)...
Poti sa te axezi pe marja operationala prin pret mai mare de vanzare in loc sa te axezi pe volume, dar cu pret mai mic de vanzare. Nimic insa nu garanteaza ca va merge vreo solutie. Cine este economist poate explica asa cum trebuie.

Daca nu gresesc, cred ca si Audi a avut multi ani de chin (ultima parte a anilor 80 si prima parte a anilor 90) din cauza imaginii (cauzate de probleme tehnice) pana sa devina ceea ce este acum.


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dand Quote:

‘Alfa Romeo contributes with a profit per unit which is at the height of the premium market,’ said Imparato. That may be so, but the brand’s volumes remain small. European sales grew by 23.7 per cent, but from a modest 26,465 to 32,737 units. Reports say US sales were less than 13,000 units in 2022.

Deci Marchionne avea dreptate pana la urma, cheia spre o profitabilitate mare e sa vinzi cat mai putin:)...
Citeam ieri, spre exemplu in 2022, doar Hyundai Tucson s-a vandut.....150.803 unitati.

Daca Alfa Romeo are profit cu Stelvio/Giulia si Tonale, atunci e ok. Un nou model in fiecare an tot e bine.

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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 28 Feb 2023, 12:23 
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Citeam ieri, spre exemplu in 2022, doar Hyundai Tucson s-a vandut.....150.803 unitati.
Nici nu e de mirare la cum arata masina aia. In schimb am vazut aseara Tonale, zici ca te intorci in timp la cat de vechi arata.

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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 09 Mar 2023, 00:02 
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Daca as fi Alfa as replica ce a facut Ferrari cu Purosangue, as face ceva in segmentul ala folosind platforma Giorgio. Pastrand proportiile, evident. Nu seamana cu nimic altceva, practic e ceva complet nou, nu are niciun competitor direct.

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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 09 Mar 2023, 08:47 
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Inspiratie as zice ca a avut. La executie s-a pierdut mult. Potential de hatch din asta (precum Purosangue) cred ca ar fi in orice segment.
Poze/randari oficiale, dezvaluite la prezentarea conceptului.

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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 09 Mar 2023, 11:05 
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Da, ai dreptate, in desenele astea e cu totul altceva decat varianta din productie si cred ca are de-a face in primul rand cu platforma folosita. Initial mi s-a parut ca aia de la Ferrari cam abereaza cand spun ca Purosangue nu e un SUV si ca de fapt ii incearca o usoara jena ca s-au pretat la asa ceva, dar cand vezi masina in realitate intelegi ce au vrut sa spuna, nu are nicio legatura cu Urus, Cayenne, DBX etc. Proportiile sunt unice, masina e mult mai mica decat te astepti, e scurta si joasa, in schimb e lata. Parca ar fi una dintre masinile proiectate de Gordon Murray.

Asta e o varianta mult exagerata, mult inaltata, dar altceva nu am gasit. As face ceva cu botul asta si cu profilul lui Purosangue. Poate aberez si mai sunt si offtopic, dar daca tot au ratat ocazia cu SUV-urile in 2003, atunci cand puteau lansa Kamal, poate profita de asta cu FUV-urile sau cum s-or chema astea.


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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
PostPosted: 09 Mar 2023, 11:15 
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Mai mult, pe lângă ce ai scris tu, as plusa un pic. Oportunitate de ceva inedit a avut si cu Giulietta. Avea un design putin atipic. Nici crossover, parca prea umflatica pentru un hatch. Era intre, din pubctul meu de vedere.

Overfendere, jante cu alte specificatii, sa le scoata un pic mai in exterior, o suspensie coborata (sau cea de Sportiva). Merita incercat macar, scos 100/1000 bucati pt a testa piata. Nici nu ar fi costat mult dezvoltarea unei versiuni de genul. Nu a fost sa fie...

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In 2003, Alfa Romeo Kamal. Daca riscau putin sa fie printre primii cu o masina de genul asta, cred ca alfel era situatia.


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Nici nu vreau sa ma gandesc ce e acum in sufletul celor care au lucrat si crezut atunci in proiectul ala pentru ca mai apoi sa fie aruncat la cosul de gunoi de niste bosorogi din board.

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Nici nu vreau sa ma gandesc ce e acum in sufletul celor care au lucrat si crezut atunci in proiectul ala pentru ca mai apoi sa fie aruncat la cosul de gunoi de niste bosorogi din board.
Cam la fel ca si cu Skoda 720

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Nici nu vreau sa ma gandesc ce e acum in sufletul celor care au lucrat si crezut atunci in proiectul ala pentru ca mai apoi sa fie aruncat la cosul de gunoi de niste bosorogi din board.
Eu sunt sigur ca e fericire si implinire pentru ca au fost apreciati si-au pus ideile in practica la alte firme unde au migrat :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Planurile Alfa Romeo
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Eu sunt convins ca daca aparea SUV-ul ala cu emblema Alfa acum 18-20 de ani, l-ati fi hulit si dat cu rosii in el. Strica spiritul sportiv al marcii, ca arata nu stiu cum, etc.

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Categoric. Si acum hulim, ca e gratis. :lol:

It is what it is, vorba aia. Trecutul e trecut.

Tine si de o anume consecventa. Adica porsche a făcut suv, si-a luat hexoraletten de la fani. Dar nu a renuntat niciodată la a face si masini sport. Fara a avea discontinuitate.

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