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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2015, 16:11 
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Eu zic ca nu vor disparea pentru ca vor produce in continuare masini si lumea le va cumpara ( poate vor fi mai putini cumparatori dar vor fi sigur) sau, in cel mai rau (fericit :mrgreen: ) caz, Alfa le va face o oferta de achizitie :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2015, 16:32 
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Alfa in nici un caz, FCA poate. Si asa Marchionne vrea si acum sa gaseasca inca un grup cu care sa fuzioneze.

Realistic vorbind, isi vor reveni. Probabil vor mai vinde ceva active de sub umbrela lor; sunt mult prea mari ca sa dispara pur si simplu.

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2015, 22:24 
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Ati auzit de "too big to fail"? :wave:
VW nu va da faliment, dar da, visele lor umede despre suprematia mondiala vor trebui redimensionate.
Cat despre recentele descoperiri cum ca si 3.0D si motoarele pe benzina ar fi compromise, nu ma mira. Chiar ma gandeam la inceputul scandalului ca ingropati in aroganta lor ar fi fost normal sa foloseasca tertipul asta pentru toate motoarele. Daca a mers o data de ce sa nu mearga mereu...

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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E si consecventa o calitate.

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2015, 18:34 
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Victime colaterale: Walter Da Silva se va retrage ca parte a unor schimbari organizationale majore.
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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Vino acasa, ai ratacit destul printre streini. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Pacat de noul Passat, imi placea mult masina.


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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Nicely done, Walter, the mission was successfully accomplished ! :evilook:


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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2015, 19:16 
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Pacat de noul Passat, imi placea mult masina.
Dap, la fel ca si Clio, le-a luat cateva zeci de ani sa le faca ok...

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2015, 19:26 
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S-a dat drumul la meme-uri cu Walter? In premiera, planurile lui de viitor.

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 09 Nov 2015, 13:07 
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According to Bild, Winterkorn declared at the Geneva auto show in March 2012 that VW wanted to reduce its CO2 emissions by 30 percent by 2015 and the engineers did not dare to tell him that this would be difficult to achieve.
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Wait, what? Parca asta era stilul romanesc de management. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 10 Nov 2015, 16:58 
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Cumva offtopic si nu prea: la masinile cu "buton sport" (sunt multe, dar ma leg in special de cele din ograda noastra, adica cele cu DNA), emisiile in ce mod sunt masurate?

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 10 Nov 2015, 18:28 
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Cand le testeaza fac smecherii de samsari gen decuplat alternatorul si tu te intrebi daca activeaza modalitatea sport? Evident ca vor folosi niciuna din dotarile masinii ce ar putea afecta negativ consumul sau emisiile pe durata probei de laborator.

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Intrebarea nu-i intamplatoare! Facand o comparatie fortata, modul normal de exploatare a unor astfel de masini e cumva similar cu versiunea de soft pentru teste a VW, nu? Adica un mod care scade puterea motorului dar implicit si emisiile. Doar ca e pe fata! :)

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Ar mai fi si varianta in care modul normal e usor detunat, iar modul dinamic e impins la limita. Prin comparatie modul dinamic ti se va parea extraordinar.

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Cam ca la Giulietta. :P
Dar, macar e la vedere.

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Pai asta e smecheria: VW pe bancul de probe se comporta ca o Alfa cu check engine in bord.

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Pai asta e smecheria: VW pe bancul de probe se comporta ca o Alfa cu check engine in bord.
As spune mai degraba ca se comporta ca o Alfa cu DNA in modul Neutral...

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 11 Nov 2015, 15:57 
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nu exista termen de comparatie intre cele doua situatii.

In plus, se uita foarte usor specificul acestui scandal: VW a dezvoltat un soft cu intentia de a pacali. NU exista precedent in industria auto (cel putin nu cunoastem noi, muritorii de rand). Selectorul DNA, ca si alte module de acest fel, are un cu totul alt rol - in niciun caz sa pacaleasca pe cineva. Mai mult, e la vedere.

Cat despre testul in sine, are mai multe minusuri decat plusuri, dar asta e alta discutie.

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 11 Nov 2015, 16:18 
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Nu ma intelege gresit, asa cum bine ai spus, au facut o magarie fara precedent si n-au nici o scuza pentru asta.
Dar daca stai sa te gandesti, e in esenta aceasi idee in 2 ambalaje diferite :)

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Nu e asa, nu are cum sa fie asa. Ori nu inteleg eu ce vrei sa spui ori tu nu ai inteles ce anume a facut VW. :)
Nu are cum sa fie precum o Alfa cu DNA in modul normal pentru ca atunci cand se afla pe bancul de probe motorul e "castrat" ca sa nu consume/emita noxe. O fi anihilata jumatate din putere, se comporta ca un motor in doi timpi de drujda, nu stiu, probabil nimeni nu stie, ca de aia e facut sa intervina doar in anumite situatii specifice.

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
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Ai dreptate, poate nu inteleg ce-au facut... Ce inteleg eu este ca intra un mod care scade puternic emisiile, mod in care evident ca si puterea si cuplul dezvoltat au de suferit. Adica cam ce face si Neutral pe orice MiTo sau Giulietta, nu?

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 11 Nov 2015, 18:37 
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Nu prea cred ca e asa...

Alfa: Noxele sa zicem ca se iau cu selectorul in pozitia N si aparea o cifra cu care Alfa trece testul.
WV : motor cu selector in pozitia N ( desi nu are selector dar pentru o explicatie mai buna :) ) aparea o cifra sensibil mai mare ca a Alfei si atunci au zis ca nu au cum sa treaca testul asa ca din pozitia N, au bagat softul. Daca nu ar fi bagat softul, trebuiau sa faca modificari fizice la motor, ceea ce clar era un cost muult mai mare.

Cam asa vad eu lucrurile :blink:

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 Post subject: Re: Dieselgate
PostPosted: 11 Nov 2015, 19:07 
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Guys:

VW Golf 2.0TDI:
In teste: Noxe la nivelul declarat / Putere mai mica decat cea declarata
Pe strada: Noxe peste nivelul declarat / 140cp

Alfa Giulietta 2.0JTDm:
In Neutral: Noxe la nivelul declarat / Putere mai mica decat cea declarata
In Dynamic: Noxe peste nivelul declarat / 140cp
(sau va inchipuiti ca puterea maxim dezvoltata e in Neutral si cand bagi Dynamic i-ai facut chip? - explicatie voit denaturata)

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